The Ruler Veligor: About People and Non-people (Maelinhon)

Peace be with you.

Today we have a long, long conversation and, paradoxically, a blitz. Long — because it stretched over months of messages and several conversations on the run. And a blitz — because it was not a friendly get-together by the fire and a long heartfelt conversation, like with Enarey. By the way, there will soon be another conversation with him.
Today’s guest of the Ancient Heart project is the Ruler Veligor. A Great Personality, which is difficult to jump to, which is difficult to get to, but which is incredibly interesting to listen to. 🙂 Veligor is one of the oldest members of the Dalram Council, which essentially controls all the Middle Worlds, their nature, its processes and is generally forced to clean up all the shit after people. And here they are, conspiracy memes about a secret government, yeah. There is such a government, but not in offices and jackets, everything is much more fun.

The ruler of not the largest, but one of the most important territories today. His regions are the entire European part of Russia, the eastern and south-eastern part of Ukraine, Moscow and the Moscow region. There is an opinion that the typical “Slavic” devil was written exactly from him, fortunately, his age allows it. We somehow spontaneously decided to dedicate today’s conversation to people and their relationships with non-humans, since these two species occupy the same area, but from the inside and the front side.

– How are you feeling, especially emotionally?

– Lately – quite gloomy.

— Stress?

— Not really. Personally, I have nothing to worry about, my world will come to balance anyway, the changes will end sooner or later. I just don’t like the position of an observer, I’ve always disliked some kind of passivity during storms, especially big ones. I want to do something. But sometimes there are periods when you just need to step aside and watch, not interfere, not interfere, not try to help everyone at once. Any action you take makes the situation worse, so if you see a huge stream of water (or events, people?…) rushing down the mountain, you need to let it flow. If you step in, you will be washed away with it. So I watch, don’t interfere, leisurely smoke a pipe and think about my own. But this is against my character.

— That same “not the time to move out” in Yi Ching.

— Yes, that’s it.

— Where have we all ended up? Why has such nonsense been happening in recent years? Everyone agrees that this is the end of an era and the cataclysms accompanying it, but what do you think?

— That’s it. All unfinished conflicts and unclosed accounts have floated to new circles for resolution. But, as it seems to me, since the end of 2018, the ends of several eras have coincided. Those are the end of the era of the Tree itself, and the end of the local era of people, and the beginning of the end for Igwe dictatorship. They ominously converged at one point and fell on our heads. Something similar happened before, but this is the second time in the history of the Middle Ages. The first was during the fall of Rome.

— Do you think it’s by chance? Because lately, it seems even the Sun is trying to finish us off with storms.

— Quite by chance, such things are not controlled by anyone. Fortunately or unfortunately. Everyone is completing their personal cycles, even the Sun. I have been sent on vacation for now, since what is happening is already going far beyond my sphere of influence.

— How do you manage when a disaster has come to the territory?

— The entire Council manages at once. That is, the Ruler goes on vacation, and the smaller ones from neighboring and even distant places are drawn to the territory. Workers are needed 3-5 times more than usually, and management is carried out manually by all the rulers. At the moment, a huge amount of small dalrams from Germany, Austria, Italy, Hungary, forest dalrams of Siberia have been drawn to the East of Ukraine. Everyone is busy cleaning, since the situation is catastrophic. We have not seen such a number of corpses, rotting, negativity and even banal dying animals for a very, very long time.

— How was it in the First and Second World Wars?

— It was about the same, but then everyone worked mainly on his own territory, and help came to us from Australia, Africa, Greenland and the USA. This is a constant turnover of forces.

— How does management normally take place?

— In some territory there is one global ruler, people call them “princes”, although we do not have titles. But why not… He has a number of large deputies subordinate to him. They, in turn, divide the entire territory into sectors. Each sector of a forest or field, or other territory, is locally managed by small dalrams, they are responsible for cleaning energy, growing plants, water movement, etc. The smaller the dalram, the smaller the location entrusted to him. The ruler decides serious issues that are beyond the competence of the small ones, and also supports the entire territory as a whole. It is important that our borders are not the same as the human borders. We are now in a difficult situation when the war is essentially taking place in one region on our side.

— Do the Dalrams support anyone?

— No, the Dalrams only support nature. And those who support nature and animals, take them to safety. We do not interfere in the affairs of people, this is a principle. All we do in this sense is charge debts to some especially gifted ones for damage to property, poisoning waters and land, suffering animals and spirits.

— And how do you treat people?

— Well, it depends. Everyone has their own views and tastes, someone can help individual people on a private initiative, but I personally do not help practically. In general, our position is simple: there is the Herd, and there are individual sane characters who often see or at least feel the world. We work with the latter, help, provide protection, the former – as they themselves want.

— What is the main problem of the Herd? Our local druid loves this question. 🙂

— Hatred. People are so afraid and hate each other that I genuinely find it funny to listen to stories about how some other forces allegedly hate them. Even if I hated people, it would be a drop in the ocean of bile and hatred that they create for themselves. My drop there would not solve anything. Throughout history, they have only been destroying, killing, torturing and hating until their fists crunch. This is fascinating in a sense, personally, I am incapable of such strong feelings for someone from the outside, I rather don’t care.

I myself am neutral towards other species, but I am very warm towards my own. Here is my species, here are my people, these are “ours”, this is trust, help and positivity by default, even if I see them for the first time. We may or may not accept some others, but our own is a static and basic value, it is sacred for Inferns of any kind. And it somehow feels uneasy when you see how people are mincing their own kind in the most exquisite ways for the most insignificant reasons. That’s the problem. At the same time, all the hatred is paradoxically attributed to someone else. No, my dears, no! 🙂 You produced this shit yourselves, and then you complain that you have to eat it.

— Well, some at least try to live differently, to get out of the cycle of violence…

— Yeah, and some of these people were recently hanged in the squares. The general people’s concept of hatred towards all living things, including themselves, is their main sacred cow. Entire religions and ideologies have grown on it. If someone thinks differently, he will always be an outsider.

— And by the way, about religion. How is the problem with redirecting flows from old pantheons? What is your attitude to religion in general?

— Personally, my attitude is even positive. Religion is what allows entire generations of the Herd not to think with their heads, but to comfortably have a vegetable life in their swamp and provide food for everyone else. Now is the age of self-development, everyone is running somewhere, it has become fashionable to criticize religions, to develop. I read, listen, and quietly chuckle. The very idea that each person can reach heights because someone else could — is ridiculous. By and large, there are a lot of people and people need, how can I put it… technical support. That is, some category of citizens who are good for nothing more than cleaning streets, building houses or baking bread. This is not bad, it is such a given. And if we start dragging everyone by the scruff of the neck into development, dragging them away from their usual religious guidelines, then who will do all this? It is alien to them, they feel the world less than any cow in the meadow. They just crawled out of the swamp yesterday and think only about eating. And to give them the same rights together with developed, warm-hearted people with goals? There are few of them, but they exist.

— Is warm-hearted a kind one?

— At the very least, he is not full of hatred towards others, this is already a huge step. The one who was able to get away from hatred and the crowd at least one step, and was able to become himself at least nominally — is already closer to us than to them. We have such an expression in the language… It can be roughly translated as “respect for existence”, that is, respectful acceptance of the most basic existing of another creature. It exists, it is alive and I respect its right to live, eat and want the best for itself. But I demand the same for myself. It is so simple, but it is not said anywhere.

Returning to people, the world is not equal, people are not equal, and will never be equal. If you are lucky and you are smart, developed, seeing and understanding, maybe you should not drag everyone along with you? Once they mature – they will find it themselves, no problem. And why shake the air for the immature? Not everyone will mature and not at the same time. But the streets, however, need cleaners, the world needs energy, worms need corpses, they also need something to eat. Yes, I respect the life of worms.

And here is religion. We all understand everything about it perfectly well. Do we just need to drag all these people into a conscious life? Or, knowing their steel convictions, can we manipulate them and consciously arrange our own life? Let them pay us, do our work and also bow at our feet, is that bad? Do they want fairy tales about posthumous bliss and being chosen by the gods? Well, give them these fairy tales, are you stingy or something? They will still say thank you and bring you money. These people are gone, a couple of years will pass and they will disappear and will not discover your deception. What is the point of talking to them, delving into their “affairs”? All their secrets and aspirations can fit on a matchbox. If there is a lever of influence, and such a powerful one at that, then just shear off whatever you want from them – money, energy, help. No one will judge or blame you, because they treat themselves much worse. They don’t have the basic skill of respect for life, and this only works mutually.

— We smile and wave 🙂 But it’s somehow unethical…

— It would be unethical if they were somehow different, and we made them suffer, be in an unnatural position, and so on. But no, they were born that way and it’s completely normal for them there, even good. We’re just showing the pigs a big, beautiful puddle. If you take that puddle away from them, they’ll find another one and get into the mud there. Give them an idea of how to get out of this swamp, and in a couple of hundred years they’ll supplement the ideology with reasons why it’s necessary to stay in the swamp. Take away their religion, and they’ll come up with another one.

— How do you feel about such people? Well, those who don’t think with their heads, but run together with everyone else.

— I feel them like trash. I won’t even talk to such a creature, there’s no point. Again, a year or two will pass and he will die, gone without a trace and will forget both himself and me. Why waste energy on him? I’m just very amused that they hide their true desires so coquettishly behind their backs, try to speak in a presentable and elevated manner, and present themselves as intelligent and understanding. If you are understanding, you smell differently and have a different indication, and the attitude to you is also completely different.

— Do many conscious people contact you?

— Yes, of course, I have friends among people and we communicate. And there always were such people. But there are critically few of them. Maybe 5 interesting people a year come across. Although in my region in recent years there is some kind of boom in black magic… It worries me, to be honest.

— Well, there is just a lot of waste paper. What do they want, what do they offer?

— For most people diving into esotericism, dalram or a demon, or someone else from the subtle plane is some kind of hybrid of Santa Claus and an ATM. That is, the object is not considered a person, with his own interests and problems, but the question is immediately asked point-blank: “What can you give me?”

— Typical for humans. They treat their own kind the same way.

— And in general, to the world. Either devour the object, or skin it, or shake off some benefits from it, or at least take a ride. And if he is “useless,” then he can be killed, because there is no respect for life itself.

— I am always stumped by the popular Google highlight “What is an octopus for?” Or a deer. Or a shell. Or a jellyfish. The very formulation of the question is a search for some kind of expediency of existence, with regard to oneself. Why do we need jellyfish if they interfere with ME when swimming? Does a deer perform some functions or can it be minced in principle? What does it live for? Immediately a back-fire question: what are you for? What do you live for, besides producing shit and garbage? 30 seconds to answer!

— Hah, a funny example. 🙂 You need to ask yourself such questions more often and look at the answers from the position of deer and jellyfish. Why do we need this ugly guy in the sea and forest? What good is he? They are looking for a good deal, help, business… I am not at all against helping my friend, no matter who he looks like, if I have such an opportunity. But is he my friend? Or am I also “needed for something”? First become my friend – then we’ll talk about help.

I am interested in communicating and interacting with those who are interested in me. It’s even somehow strange to say such simple things… My world, my problems, my tastes, views. You asked how I feel, but few people ask.

— I don’t want anything from you, not at all. I need information, I always want more information, data, answers. In this regard, the older generation of Dalrams is a special treasure to find! A very interesting culture, a huge, diverse society that remembers primitive people and, say, Caesar… Moreover, capable of conversation, polemics and, in general, literary speech. You can’t buy this for any money.

— The right vector.

— Let’s change the subject. Moscow. Where did this name come from?

— It’s a very archaic name of a river, that language basically doesn’t exist anymore, as does the people. There was a huge pine forest near the river, where bears lived, and in some inadequate quantity. People didn’t go there, but they called the place by the name of the animals, it was a bear river. Then it was distorted into one word.

— Isn’t that the word that was lost because of its sacredness? And was replaced by the euphemism “bear”.

— That’s it.

— How many languages do you know?

— About 80.

— I have been to Moscow, and not just passing through, but specifically to hang out for a week. And in my anti-rating of cities, it is top along with Barcelona. I don’t have provincial syndrome, because I grew up in the capital and it’s hard to scare me with crowds of millions, a big metro or noise. But when you go out onto the platform in Moscow, your hands automatically press your bag to your chest, and your intestines stick to your spine in horror. You walk along the wall. There is a feeling of constant, screaming at high frequencies, terrible danger, which is simply everywhere. The mentality itself screams from tension, people are all overstrained to the point of stone, ask for a cigarette — you’ll get punched in the face, just reflexively. Why is that?

— There is such a thing. You see, the world is not uniform, though it looks like a beautiful smooth sphere on the globe. In reality, the whole world is mountains and pits, faults, areas flowing into each other… Somewhere negativity accumulates, somewhere there is more air, somewhere – fire. Moscow is such a special place… I remember it even before the city itself… There are such creepy fault lines where people are drawn, like drawn to stare at some corpse with a severed head. Or an ugly person.

— You understand with your mind that it is not good to stare, but you continue…

— Exactly. There are such places. Bad, dark, with a huge dark lump of something accumulated over the centuries from the inside. Where it is bad, stuffy, your head hurts, but it draws and draws people there. What is it called? Negative charm! At first the place attracted people, and then the poisoned people began to draw others there. A village appeared on the river, then a city, then it grew, but this archaic something remained below. With a fresh head it really feels wild, it’s just that the locals have already breathed in and sniffed enough, so to speak. It is even pleasant in some way, but it drives the weak specifically crazy. Like everyone has breathed in gas.

— Are there other places like that?

— Sure, there are dozens of them around the world, but normally they don’t build cities on them. On the contrary, they try to build where it’s pleasant. And here we have this tempting poison that poisons everyone who sets foot on the territory. It’s a natural phenomenon, essentially, but I haven’t seen other cities like that, the most faults are local, but not all over the territory.

— In Slavic lands, devils are often drawn with a snout, although I have seen very few of them. What types of dalrams exist and why is there such a difference in appearance?

— Oh, a large-scale question of course… In general, dalram is not an appearance, it is specifically an admixture of the Dark element in several species of creatures. Which in turn have been mixed with the local flora and fauna for centuries. Local – here and not only, we live in all planes. These are myriads of creatures, more than 70 tribes and hundreds of subspecies. Someone is very anthropomorphic, more like Tolkien’s elves in miniature, someone is closer to animals and birds. There are dalrams almost completely transformed into birds or animals, mushrooms and plants. There is no standard.

European rulers are fauns and more anthropomorphic dalrams, Slavic and Asian – all furry and closer to animals. Something like a living totem. Far Eastern – a small people with great power. American mixed with void dwellers often… In a word, it turned out colorful and heterogeneous.

In general, the original race looked similar to Ael Bogod, but then chaotic connections and copying local human traditions greatly influenced us. But everyone has one language and normal communication.

— Does your species use human inventions a lot?

— Specifically – yes, clothes, some devices sometimes. But in general, our way of life does not change much. Although, I like to read books, for example, as well as listen to music. The Internet is also an interesting analogue of our information field.

— And where do you live?

— I have 4 different residences, one in the Moscow region, in Gremyachy Klyuch. One in the Vologda region. The third in Starobelsk, but far from people. And one of my houses kindly accepts guests in the forests of Norway, in case of vacations.

— Do you visit exotic countries?

— Yes, I love Japan very much, especially hot springs and all sorts of deep forests, there are some there. And small islands in Oceania, there is a fabulous place, and very clean.

— Do you have a family?

— Yes, I have grown up children, five sons. And I separated from my wife quite a long time ago, now I am on a free range, so to speak. 🙂

— Fanatics like to repeat that their beloved Yahweh is love. Ael Veligor, what is love in your opinion?

— It is the joy that someone exists. You do not just accept that he or she exists. You are happy about it! Respect for existence reaches another level – now it is the joy of existence. Joy from one’s own existence, then – the joy of the existence of others and the whole world, this is love.

(c) Mylene Maelinhon \ Material of the Marginal Metaphysics project

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