The ruler Bogod: Mabon Dialogue

Good time of the epoch to all.

There is one rule on the Archaic Heart website: there are no rules. That’s why we post quite a lot of experimental and unusual things, including reviews of films from a metaphysical point of view and interviews with “subtle guests”. We’ve already had long and interesting interviews with Artan and Enarey, and something similar with the graha Domaha. And today we decided to add conversation with another demonic ruler — Bogod. This is a compilation of two different conversations that took place on different days, before Mabon and directly during its celebration in September 2023. But similar topics were raised: war, ethics and morality, history, relations between species and, of course, the life of the Dalram.

Bogod is a Dalram ruler of quite vast territories of the Middle Worlds. He is in charge of Kazakhstan, Iran, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, the Caspian Sea and adjacent territories, including deserts. In classical black magic there is no such ruler, but there is no particular sense in it – all this was written hundreds of years ago, and the relevance of the Dalram Council is updated once every 7-10 years.

Bogod is interesting for several reasons. Firstly, he is the oldest Dalram I have ever spoken to – he comes from the Archipelagoes, a structure that existed long before the Trees of Life and this entire system. For some reason, we perceive the Dalram as a local, close-to-human culture, although logically, the Inferns have always been there, and they also lived on the Archipelagoes. Secondly, the ruler has an extremely peculiar appearance, which, according to him, is characteristic of the primary types of “little” Inferns. Namely, a smooth, hairless body, slightly glowing eyes, horns and red-black skin with “floating” patterns. This type of appearance somehow immediately brings to mind either the stereotypical image of devils in monotheisms, or Star Wars. But it really does look exotic. And it is completely unlike the “fluffy” foresters and European rulers we are used to, who look more like small elves than demons. And, speaking with Bogod, who is so calm and charismatic, with a quiet voice and gentle manners, you catch a slight dissonance.

— Good evening, Ael. How do you like our bold idea to create a base for modern black magic?

— Salaam. And good evening. Well, I came a couple of times to look at your site and works, got acquainted with the chats. It is very unusual for me to look at such dense flows of information, but it seemed to me that the idea is very interesting and useful for all levels. Especially, enlightening people and bringing together, so to speak, borders. In general, I like works that unite someone and are aimed at the positive. There are too many opposite phenomena around, aimed at evil, revenge, personal benefit and disunity of groups and peoples.

— How did things go for you during this summer and autumn month?

— I recently slept for several years, renewed and cleansed myself. Then I woke up and saw the war. I haven’t seen it so close for a long time and it hurts quite a lot. So I’m trying to help as much as I can at the moment, that’s what I’m mostly doing.

— Were you born in the same place where you are the ruler, or some other place or plane?

— Oh, no. I was born not only not on these lands, but not even in this system 🙂 I come from the Archipelagoes, it’s scary to say how long ago it was… And during the fall of the Archipelagoes I was a young man, not even a child anymore. There are very few Dalrams left there now, but they exist, and for some reason there are most of them in Asia. Although the majority were born here, on Yggdrasil. I am from the old guard, so to speak. I still remember the island system, its fall, and the creation of one Tree. And then dozen of them.

— And tell us, please, about your native places. What did they look like?

— Archipelagos were a huge system of islands, which were located in groups of a couple of dozen. They were literally islands, in the middle of the water. One kind of dimuts usually occupied the entire conglomerate.
Another kind of dimuts lived in the neighboring lands. The system looked like a large flat plate, filled with water to the brim. And on the other side – the same plate. Like a playing card – mirrored on both sides. Between the islands, everything was filled with water, and it seemed to flow along the plane both from above and below, flowed through the planes. They walked to each other along it, built portals and bridges, mole holes and sent objects through it. I remember it very clearly, when the archipelagos fell, all the water boiled at once …

— And what nature looked like? What animals and plants were common then?

— Some of them were like now, but now there are significantly more species, hundreds of times more. Back then the flora was more uniform, and the fauna even more so. But there were many more subtle peoples than now, many died out as whole species and tribes.

— Do you miss the times of the archipelagos? Or have you long ago realized that there is no point, and the feeling has gradually faded?

— I probably miss them, I don t even know Perhaps I miss my youth more than the location.

— How do you feel about youth, what has changed compared to then?

— Back then, I was much more surprised by everything, it caused strong emotions, even anger. But there was also a certain maximalist firmness. That’s what I decided, so it won’t be any other way until the end of time! And then, with age, softness and tolerance appeared, you think that maybe everything is not so radical and unambiguous, that you can treat it more softly and calmly, that you need to listen and search into things more, and not act rashly… And there are not many things emotionally touching you or seem surprising and new.

— And how do you feel about your age? You look younger than one might think.

— I think I feel about 50 human years old, sometimes less. I try not to get weighed down by all sorts of negativity, to look for something new and bright in everything, and I like to be surprised by something. I love this emotion itself being surprised. I really don’t like the feeling that the world has become clear and familiar to me, that I already know and understand everything, I like to look for something new and surprising. It invigorates.

— How did you get to the 3rd Tree?

— The archipelagos fell gradually, this process took months. Mostly those who did not want to believe in what was happening and clung to their locations died, and those who moved and maneuvered survived. My family was completely destroyed then, only my sister and I survived. We managed to escape literally empty-handed. Many died then, and the rest moved along the sinking islands while the Tree was being built. I managed to escape to it. Then it began to collapse, and I had to flee again until they built a system of 12 trees. Actually, dimuts of my kind flocked here, so I went with all the other refugees, and my sister went to live on the 6th Tree, starting a family there. She still lives there now, in fact, we often see each other. And here, on the third, it was very nice at first.

— And when did it become unpleasant?

— When many people appeared, they lived compactly at first. And the layer of the Middle Worlds itself was not associated with the physical, it was the same part of the subtle structure.

— How do you feel about what is happening now on the first tree?

— I feel sad. Life teaches them nothing. It seems to me that those who saw the collapse of everything and literally stood on the remaining half-meter patch of land will never start a war again. But the young did not see this, they have their own scores and claims, and there is still a lot of maximalism … This unpleasant feeling of powerlessness. Because I understand both sides of the conflict, but I am for the reformers.

— Do you think it is possible to create another system instead of the Trees, and if so, which one would you suggest?

— *sighs* Yes, everything is possible, the problem is not in the system, but in the heads. The madmen destroyed the archipelagos, although everything worked fine and was well-established there. Now they are slowly destroying the Trees, at least they are trying. We, the Dalrams and Inferns, have such a… I don t know… idea? Some kind of common idea, a typical one, a people s credo, that s a good word credo. That we need to live as a team, and think about the good of everyone, the whole world. Having this general idea everyone can find his own personal idea, personal goal. If everyone is busy with what he likes and it was aimed at the common good, then everybody could come to agreement, then the world would have blossomed long ago. But everybody is busy with themselves and their grievances and traumas. And the only thing everyone has in common is hatred. Most often.

— I talked to ChatGPT recently, a neural network, asking it all sorts of questions about life. And it gave me a very good idea, which I’m still thinking about. The question was about how to survive losses and injustices, how to live with this all in peace. And you, the neural network says, do you want everything in the world to be literally and to the last drop fair, or do you want it to be better for YOU? Do you want to feel happy, or do you want to remember every insult, every crooked word and other heavy burden every second? Maybe sometimes it’s worth forgetting about something and throwing it away, instead of dragging this lump of pain for years? Your activity is either aimed at mythical justice and vigilance of certain laws, or it is aimed at making the world better, making you better, making you well-fed, warmer, lighter, etc. And these activities cannot intersect.

— *smiles* What a great idea, I really like it 🙂 Indeed, either you are busy with revenge and following someone s invented rules , or you are busy making life better. You don t have enough strength for both activities at once. It is always easier to destroy than to create, it is easier to kill than to grow, but what will we all be left with if we only destroy? Yes, in the name of some mythical justice, gods, kings, dogmas There are some reasons, I believe, I understand. But here is a simple question what will you be left with after? Okay, you took revenge on them , you destroyed, trampled, killed, it seems like justice has triumphed, but now you are standing on the bare ground among corpses. Was this your goal? Is this good? Did you spend all your strength to come to hungry emptiness and ruins? Maybe extremely just, but ruins nonetheless. Maybe it was worth spending it on construction and increase?

The world is fair and balanced, I know that for sure. The world will punish your offenders and return yours to you sooner or later, why waste your energy on this? Spend it on yourself, build, create, do more and better, come up with something more convenient and new, grow – do not trample! This is the essence. If everyone did what is objectively better for everyone, the world would be different. This is a bit of a naive thought, I understand, but I sincerely believe in it.

— Well, not everyone can do it for the common good…

— Of course, everybody is busy with themselves and their own affairs first and foremost, this is normal and correct. But what if we stopped thinking in the format of “us and them”? They did this to us, so we will lay down our lives to answer them… And then these fools change places and violence accumulates in progression. And these are not only people’s problems. People were not yet in the project when these problems were already acute. The world is like a fractal, the private is already embedded in general. If my goal is to defeat a disease, this is my personal goal, because it is interesting and important to me. But a defeated disease is already a benefit for everyone. Like a planted garden, like a cleaned river or forest. Like a good, clean city with comfortable houses or a new technology. The personal goal of each one is transformed into a benefit for everyone, if the goals are positive.

— Looks like Taoism in its better years.

— Taoism wasn’t invented by people, that’s what’s good about it 🙂

—  What do you think can be changed to stop this madness and calm down the unrest?

— Well, at least talk and hear each other, basically. After all, as a rule, the first “blow” or offense is inflicted out of stupidity or ignorance, and then violence begins to snowball. And this upsets me, because I understand that most likely everything will be as before: these destroyed, they will take revenge, then the first will take revenge for revenge and in a circle. I am a supporter of the idea that you can always come to agreement, sit down and exhale, and listen to the other side and its version, at least just calmly listen and take into account.

— Ael Bogod, how often did you collaborate with the genies? What is their mentality in general? Is it similar to yours?

— Similar, but they have always been very closed, on the verge of totalitarianism. I have visited them a couple of times, since I myself am fiery and close to them by origin. But their little world is rather unpleasant to me.

— Please tell me, is the influence of the Islamic egregor declining in the territory of modern Kazakhstan? Are there any signs of progress towards the complete fading of Muslim egregor?

— Yes, but it started later than Christian egregor, and all its reactions are delayed. That is, it is falling everywhere now, but it is hysterically trying to separate itself from its brother.

— Why were they accepted there at all? Did people not have enough of their own gods?

— People in general will always do what charismatics and passionaries tell them to do. People themselves generally do not think about what and why they are doing, it is easier for them to join a group and follow its rules than to invent their own. Therefore, a clash of ideologies is always a clash of opinion leaders. Whoever is a good man if he is able to ignite more people with his own and make them follow him, and a strong group always attracts the majority.

In the case of monotheisms, the idea was successful for two reasons. Firstly, the polytheists themselves had not been in conflict before, they generally did not think that worshiping someone could be a subject of conflict. Well, you work with those forces, I work with others, we have nothing to divide and nothing to argue about. That is, they were not ready for the fact that the very concept of conquest and war could have a religious basis, so the more bloodthirsty concept won. Due to the novelty and unpreparedness of the enemy. First in Greece and Rome, then in the East. The second reason is that the winners were backed by passionaries from subtle side, and the gods did not really need people as a species, no one really stood up for them. It seems to me in vain, but what can we say now…

— Do you remember those times?

— I remember those times, but not the very beginning, I was in a long hibernation then and was not yet involved in managing the current territories. Then I lived closer to Palestine and managed local affairs there. It was all slow, but somehow it was immediately clear that this force would defeat the old one.

— Did anyone resist?

— Of course, many resisted, but you know the outcome. The Dalrams then convened as many as eight councils over several years, when things started to get hot. And we gave an ultimatum to the Upper Levels that if anyone laid a finger on us, we would destroy the entire plane along with the people. This is our world, so either negotiate with us and pay for the service, or we will leave no stone unturned.

— Were you really ready to destroy everything?

— We were really ready. We were never anyone’s servants, much less slaves. Announced our conditions and in case of non-concessions, we would go to the 6th Tree, collapsing the entire layer on the 3rd. In the end, this was not necessary, but what happened was not so good in fact… Our conditions were accepted, but with the proviso that they can tell to people about us anything they want.

— And now people, thanks to these religions, constantly drag you through the mud… That any spirits of nature are evil, unclean, abomination and in general they should be exterminated. How do you feel about this?

— And how are things going with the extermination? 🙂 I take this with humor, but by and large I don t care, because the people who are supposedly waging this war are new almost every year, and we exist and exist, and will exist. I don t really interact with people for this reason, and I don t give seals. I have nothing much to say or give them, and they have nothing much to give me.

— Worthy. I heard that the Dalram often adopt something from the people who live next to them. Have you picked up anything from people or are their way of life, tastes, and cultural elements alien to you?

— I like to drink super strong tea and smoke hashish. 🙂 The rest of my everyday life is a hodgepodge of styles and eras, I choose what is comfortable for me. Well, maybe I also adopted silk robes … *points at a multi-layered robe made of black silk with embroidery*

— And what food and drinks do you like?

— I like super strong drinks. Half a can of coffee per cup and 10 spoons of sugar with it. Perhaps with age I have become less sensitive to taste, but now I like it when drinks are unbearably strong, and there are more spices than food, and the tobacco is powerful … The stronger, the better. And I really like to drink almost boiling water, but I have had this since childhood. The same with food, I like when the taste is very strong, lots of spices, lots of spiciness.

— Ael, do you have favorite places in the dense world? Where have you been?

— I’ve been almost everywhere. I love deserts and I love seas, and their combinations. I adore places where the desert comes right out to the big water, in such places I sometimes just lie down in the shallow water and lie on my back. I like the feeling when the waves wash over my body. Africa is very interesting in this regard. I like Tanzania and Morocco the most.

— What’s interesting about deserts?

— Well, I like high temperatures and fire, but deserts are an extraordinary thing in themselves. There’s a special spirit, a special state, when there’s only you, the earth and the air. It’s especially wonderful at night, when you can sit on some dune and look at the stars… I do that often.

— That’s how people come up with legends about shaitans.

— I don’t care at all. If they want to be afraid, let them be afraid, in fact, no one has done anything bad to them, they cope with it themselves.

— What are your hobbies?

— I like to read, especially something exotic and not local. Not human. And I like to travel. I often visit different places and cities, I like to attend all sorts of lectures and fairs, movies and all sorts of such events. Sometimes I even go to the cinema or theater, sit quietly on the steps and watch what people are into right now. Of the things I know, I really like the Burning Man festival. And similar events, especially those with a lot of fire and fire shows. I just go crazy over such spectacles! They surprise me.

— Have you watched Star Wars? Tricky question.

— Yes, I have. I think one of the scriptwriters saw drawings from Eastern spiritual practices and was inspired. My appearance is very typical for the Dalrams of the so-called old generations, but in general, tribes can differ radically from each other. Someone looks like Amadahs, someone looks more like shaggy animals.

— And tell us about your children. They say you have a lot of them.

— I have seven children, five sons and two daughters. All of them are already adults, they manage different sectors of our territories. We essentially work together, so we see each other often.

— I would like to know more about your life, how do you spend your time when you are not busy with management matters?

— I live with my wife in the Karakum Desert, I am involved in a large sector in several countries. But we have relatively little work, due to the fact that the regions are depressed in terms of energy and life.

My home is a network of man-made caves, like in a kind of pocket under the desert. There are bedrooms, halls, bathrooms and a greenhouse.

— Do you and the Dalram generally have such a concept as pride in children?

— Of course. 🙂 These are my children, my flesh, I like to watch how they become Someone, develop themselves, their tastes, achieve something. There is a certain thrill in this, I think.

— Ael, tell me, how are Dalram children taught? In their families or does someone teach them?

— Both, most often they study in the family, but sometimes they invite 1-2 teachers.

— What do they teach children first? What are the basics?

— To think. 🙂 And live.

— How many languages do you know? And what languages were on the Archipelagos?

— I read more from streams, it’s easier for me. As for to know – I know about 20 languages, I speak Aramaic at home. There were 7 languages on the archipelagos, but before the era of the Trees, 2 main ones actually survived and 2-3 more dialects, but I also remember those old ones, for some reason. 🙂

— Do you have pets?

— Yes, I have several sand foxes. Their names are Din, Dinar, Dilam and Dilem :))) Such a family joke.

— Ael, what have you learned from life or other dimuts? Is there anything you’ve learned from others or from their experience that you’d like to share?

— Well, I said already about how I’ve observed violence and the collapse of life itself once and twice, because someone had personal scores to settle or an ego to pick. Life has taught me to be softer, to listen to others and to be lenient with the weak, the stupid, the confused… The weak needs to be supported and helped, then it will blossom. Often you just need to calmly talk and support, and this will cancel even the most terrible war.
Well, I’ve learned not to lose heart. I perceive boredom and despondency as the worst thing in the world. When you’ve given up, gone out – the world has essentially defeated you. And put its foot on top. I believe that while you’re alive, you need to live, fight, breathe and move, and not rot. Otherwise, that’s it, otherwise there’s no more meaning. Probably the only thing I really despise is cowardice and capitulation. Like it’s all over, there are no ways, everything is lost, I can’t do anything, I’m extinguished. That’s what disgusts me. That’s why I build my life as if from the opposite, and I teach my children this.

— Do you have many grandchildren?

— Four so far. I started a family and children quite late, so my grandchildren were born recently. I spent half my life as a vagabond, lived in different places, worked in different places, and settled down not so long ago.

— Was it hard to make such a decision – to settle down somewhere and start a family? Or, on the contrary, are you tired of changing places?

— I spent half my life as a vagabond and am a little tired of wandering. I lived in millions of different places, did dozens of different jobs and things, and worked in governments, and on other Trees… But I have always been an ascetic. Here I am, here is my conditional backpack with everything I need, the wind changes a little – and at dawn I am gone. I lived like this for thousands of years, but now I think that in my youth there was simply some kind of fatalism or something… It seemed that since my home is no longer there, then I am not needed anywhere. I will wander around with one bag, against all odds. Gradually came to the conclusion that it was stupid, and you should build your own house. It would be a good place.

— What is the meaning of life?

— In Life… Not in survival, but in LIFE. The world will always kill you, and test your strength, and try to drown you, that’s how it’s designed. That’s why fighting back and getting up again is the meaning, it’s a special pleasure. The world always wants us to fade away, stop smiling and fighting, become quiet and keep our heads down. That’s why the meaning isn’t in surviving, you can survive and fade away. The meaning is to live, to burn, to enjoy, even to flaunt the fact that they wanted to kick you into a hole once again, but you still managed to preserve yourself, your goals and the ability to enjoy life. That’s the victory over the world, although sometimes it takes incredible efforts… Even just getting up and walking, and wanting something at all.

— As Domakha said, living badly is very easy and simple, but living well is difficult and requires effort 🙂

— Beautiful words, I fully share them. And I feel very sorry for those who are accustomed to suffering, even proud of it.

(c) Mylene Maelinhon \ material Archaic Heart.

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